The 32-year-old Katy Perry talks about her past suicidal thoughts in live streamed therapy session to promote her new album, Witness. During a meeting with a therapist, Perry revealed that her 2013 song, “By the Grace of God,” was inspired by her past thoughts of suicide.

“I feel ashamed that I would have those thoughts, feel that low and that depressed,” she said, adding that the song was written “because I do believe in something much bigger than me and I call that god for me.”

“You can be right or you can be loved,” she added. “I just want to be loved.”